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МВК писал(а):
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а чё там дублировать ?
шасси унифицированное, разработки японского victor.
она разрабатывать свои приёмники начала в 32-м году.

в японии до войны было 40 фирм(даже больше чуток) а конструкции аппаратов разрабатывало из них фирм 5.
остальные повторяли.

некоторые модели делали до 20 фирм.
всё это расписано в музее.

а насчёт почему не делали на американских свежих лампах
у них были жёсткие стандарты для бытовухи. вводились как ограничения на роскошь.
покуда япония постоянно воевала с 1925 и по 1945.

стандарт разрешающий применение в бытовой аппаратуре ламп с напряжением накала 6,3 вольта был введён в действие в декабре 1945 года.

бредовая трактовка... :hihi:
но Сонате такое нравиться... он скажет... рий... ты гений.... :D


А почему бы не воздать должное Юрию, Юрий по полочкам разложил всю историю производства приёмников в Японии , я до него тоже заглядывал в Японский музей ,но многое не мог связать воедино, а Юрий всё донёс до моего понимания. Другое дело что мы тут постоянно ругаемся обзываемся, я тоже до недавнего времени злословил,но пришло понимание что этого делать не cтоит.


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Магистр технических наук Алексей Анатольевич Обломов, мастер (господин) дивана бизнес администрейшен

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А почему бы не воздать должное Юрию, Юрий по полочкам разложил всю историю производства приёмников в Японии , я до него тоже заглядывал в Японский музей ,но многое не мог связать воедино, а Юрий всё донёс до моего понимания. Другое дело что мы тут постоянно ругаемся обзываемся, я тоже до недавнего времени злословил,но пришло понимание что этого делать не cтоит.

ну если вам все понятно... то не могли бы изложить ваше понимание всей истории производства приемников в Японии... :wink:
так понимаю... чт то вариант истории от Лохатого.... :hihi:

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Гость писал(а):
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Можно считать установленым что шасси в радиоле Сонаты... идентично шасси производимым фирмой VICTOR в 1937-1939 гг.

ахуеть какое открытие !

правда смотрю вот здесь viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5203&start=50

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а теперь вот пояснение на CR-100 на японском

Columbiaの大型受信機。58-58-57-2A5-80 の平均的な構成で自社製8インチフィールド型ダイナミックを駆動する。
シャーシはVictorのOEMである。音質改善のためNFBがかけられている。
銘板が紙製になるなど、資材不足からの簡素化がはじまっている。

в переводе на русский:

Большой приемник Columbia.Средняя конфигурация 58-58-57-2A5-80 обеспечивает 8-дюймовый динамик полевого типа собственного производства.
Шасси является OEM-производителем Victor. NFB применяется для улучшения качества звука.
Упрощение началось из-за нехватки материалов, таких как таблички с именами, изготовленные из бумаги.

а вот шасси у Victor с набором ламп 58-58-57-2A5-80






обосраный, ты поскажи народу, у тебя мозг в жопе що до тебя так долго доходит или ты просто безмозглый долбоёп ? :bombanuto:

Наверное, вопросительный знак в сей фразе лишний. :hihi:
Вангую, ещё страниц 10-20 он будет пыхтеть, выкручиваться и вилять задницей. :hehehe:


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МВК писал(а):
ну если вам все понятно... то не могли бы изложить ваше понимание всей истории производства приемников в Японии... :wink:
так понимаю... чт то вариант истории от Лохатого.... :hihi:


Before the Broadcasting


 Japan has a long history of researching wireless Communications as well as its home production.
Three years after the experiment on yield of current by Herz (1886), Hantaro Nagaoka made public experiment in spark discharge at The University of Tokyo(1889).
 Just after Marconi's wireless Communications in 1887, research started for practical use by Electrotechnical Laboratory in Japan.
And in 1899 began home products of wireless equipments. Thus wireless equipments realized excellent results at the Battle of the Japan Sea in 1914.
After the WW I, wireless were used very often, not only for military use but also for marine use.
In 1914, with regard to this situation, the Wireless Law and the Reguration for Private Wireless Telegraph were enacted.
 In 1920, KDKA Station in U.S.A. started world first broadcasting.
Also in Japan research on broadcasting became much popular, and various experiments were extensively carried on.
Consequentry many technical books, periodicals and magazines were published.
By confusion of the Kanto Earthquake Disaster in 1923, information routes were cut off.
But ships anchored in Tokyo Bay gave the most effective results communicating by wireless.
Consequently public opinion were aroused for realization of broadcasting.

Beginning of Broadcasting


 In the next year after the Earthquake, applications for establishing broadcasting station were estimated to reach 64 throughout the land.
But Japanese government set limits and sanctioned the establishment of broadcasting stations running by juridical person for the public benefit in three great cities, Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya.
In 1924, Tokyo Broadcasting Station (JOAK), in 1925 Osaka Broadcasting Station (JOBK) and Nagoya Broadcasting Station (JOCK) were established.
they were authorized in the form of corporate juridical persons.
 On 22 March, 1925, the Tokyo Broadcasting Station(JOAK) started temporary broadcating with approximately 220W of power at Shibaura, Tokyo, which was the beginning of Japanese history of radio broadcasting. Only 5 years behind the world first broadcast in U.S.A.
The two other stations also commenced their activities later in the same year.
Although the number of listeners of was no more than 5,455 at that time, it jumped to 390,000 by 1926.

 In view of the necessity of expanding the radio networks on a systematic basis, thereby creating a more uniform service area for multipying the number of listners, the Nippon Hoso Kyokai (the Broadcasting Corporation of Japan) was organized by amalgamating these corporations in August 1926.
 With the establishment of the corporation, headquaters were astablished in Tokyo, and branches in the Kanto, Kansai, and Tokai districts within the sphare of influence of these 3 broadcasting stations.


Radios at the beginning of broadcasting


Under the ordinance the Regulation for Private Wireless Telephone promulgated in 1923 just before the beginning of broadcasting, radios were admitted as obtained sanction from the Communications Ministry.
Technical standard was set on the basis of the ordinance "The Regulation for Electrical Appliance", Article 4 of the Communications Ministry issued in 1916, and it is decided that the wave length must be confined within 200-250m or 250-400m, besides radio waves must be without generation from antenna.
Whoever passed examination acquired the model examination by the Electrical Laboratory of the Communications Ministry.
Manufacturer could indicate passing number as well as type approval stamp (created in 1924).
 As for approved receivers, wave-length selector was required, and besides generation of radio wave was permitted.
Thus, regenerative detector could not be used, the sensitivity was low, therefore expensive.

 Due to the unexpectedlly large number of listners who applied for licences with the commencement of the business, the demands of listners surpassed by far the supply of approved receivers. In addition, foreign made receivers were excelent and comparatively cheaper than those made in Japan, and moreover, a good many radio fans constructed their own receovers at home.
But in reality, lots of imported and hand-made radios not always following such ruled ware used.
 On 18 April, 1925 just after the beginning of broadcasting, Ordinance No.23 of the Communications Ministry was issued, which abolished selector of wave length and limited wave length less than 400m.
In addition to it, permission for listening was given to non approved radios.
Accordingly, type approval system became nominal. After Ordinance No.71 of October 1925 now on, no more than examination was carried on.
Through 1924 into 1925 type approval was given to 64 varieties of radios and parts, of which from No.2 to No.71 (No. 1,6,1,12,13,35,36 missing) are in existence.
Manufacturers of communicating equipment such as Annaka and Shibaura which had produced lots of approved receivers withdrew from radio sets production several years after the beginning of broadcasting.

 70% of Japanese radios at that time were crystal type listening worth receivers.
Battery operated tube radios using loud speaker system were not only expensive but also had to equip three types (A, B, C) of battery, especially by using Lead-acid battery for "A" lighting filament, the work required much time to charging. Consequently not of public use.
Japan introduced technique and appliances of radios from U.S.A.
At first triode tube UV-201 ware used. Later, 201-A type with filament current reduced by half or power economized type 199 were used.
As the result of that, A type battery could be changed from Lead-acid battery to dry battery.
Therefore, since about 1924 much of radio sets have contained batteries inside.

вот тебе начало.
продолжение читай на сайте японского радиомузея
https://www.japanradiomuseum.com/index-e.html


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Да он не может это прочитать. :hehehe: И перевести гуглем не может. Ума не хватает.


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Магистр технических наук Алексей Анатольевич Обломов, мастер (господин) дивана бизнес администрейшен

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Наверное, вопросительный знак в сей фразе лишний. :hihi:
Вангую, ещё страниц 10-20 он будет пыхтеть, выкручиваться и вилять задницей. :hehehe:

говняшкин... а ты чего тут скулишь?... :hihi:

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ну если вам все понятно... то не могли бы изложить ваше понимание всей истории производства приемников в Японии... :wink:
так понимаю... чт то вариант истории от Лохатого.... :hihi:


Before the Broadcasting


 Japan has a long history of researching wireless Communications as well as its home production.
Three years after the experiment on yield of current by Herz (1886), Hantaro Nagaoka made public experiment in spark discharge at The University of Tokyo(1889).
 Just after Marconi's wireless Communications in 1887, research started for practical use by Electrotechnical Laboratory in Japan.
And in 1899 began home products of wireless equipments. Thus wireless equipments realized excellent results at the Battle of the Japan Sea in 1914.
After the WW I, wireless were used very often, not only for military use but also for marine use.
In 1914, with regard to this situation, the Wireless Law and the Reguration for Private Wireless Telegraph were enacted.
 In 1920, KDKA Station in U.S.A. started world first broadcasting.
Also in Japan research on broadcasting became much popular, and various experiments were extensively carried on.
Consequentry many technical books, periodicals and magazines were published.
By confusion of the Kanto Earthquake Disaster in 1923, information routes were cut off.
But ships anchored in Tokyo Bay gave the most effective results communicating by wireless.
Consequently public opinion were aroused for realization of broadcasting.

Beginning of Broadcasting


 In the next year after the Earthquake, applications for establishing broadcasting station were estimated to reach 64 throughout the land.
But Japanese government set limits and sanctioned the establishment of broadcasting stations running by juridical person for the public benefit in three great cities, Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya.
In 1924, Tokyo Broadcasting Station (JOAK), in 1925 Osaka Broadcasting Station (JOBK) and Nagoya Broadcasting Station (JOCK) were established.
they were authorized in the form of corporate juridical persons.
 On 22 March, 1925, the Tokyo Broadcasting Station(JOAK) started temporary broadcating with approximately 220W of power at Shibaura, Tokyo, which was the beginning of Japanese history of radio broadcasting. Only 5 years behind the world first broadcast in U.S.A.
The two other stations also commenced their activities later in the same year.
Although the number of listeners of was no more than 5,455 at that time, it jumped to 390,000 by 1926.

 In view of the necessity of expanding the radio networks on a systematic basis, thereby creating a more uniform service area for multipying the number of listners, the Nippon Hoso Kyokai (the Broadcasting Corporation of Japan) was organized by amalgamating these corporations in August 1926.
 With the establishment of the corporation, headquaters were astablished in Tokyo, and branches in the Kanto, Kansai, and Tokai districts within the sphare of influence of these 3 broadcasting stations.


Radios at the beginning of broadcasting


Under the ordinance the Regulation for Private Wireless Telephone promulgated in 1923 just before the beginning of broadcasting, radios were admitted as obtained sanction from the Communications Ministry.
Technical standard was set on the basis of the ordinance "The Regulation for Electrical Appliance", Article 4 of the Communications Ministry issued in 1916, and it is decided that the wave length must be confined within 200-250m or 250-400m, besides radio waves must be without generation from antenna.
Whoever passed examination acquired the model examination by the Electrical Laboratory of the Communications Ministry.
Manufacturer could indicate passing number as well as type approval stamp (created in 1924).
 As for approved receivers, wave-length selector was required, and besides generation of radio wave was permitted.
Thus, regenerative detector could not be used, the sensitivity was low, therefore expensive.

 Due to the unexpectedlly large number of listners who applied for licences with the commencement of the business, the demands of listners surpassed by far the supply of approved receivers. In addition, foreign made receivers were excelent and comparatively cheaper than those made in Japan, and moreover, a good many radio fans constructed their own receovers at home.
But in reality, lots of imported and hand-made radios not always following such ruled ware used.
 On 18 April, 1925 just after the beginning of broadcasting, Ordinance No.23 of the Communications Ministry was issued, which abolished selector of wave length and limited wave length less than 400m.
In addition to it, permission for listening was given to non approved radios.
Accordingly, type approval system became nominal. After Ordinance No.71 of October 1925 now on, no more than examination was carried on.
Through 1924 into 1925 type approval was given to 64 varieties of radios and parts, of which from No.2 to No.71 (No. 1,6,1,12,13,35,36 missing) are in existence.
Manufacturers of communicating equipment such as Annaka and Shibaura which had produced lots of approved receivers withdrew from radio sets production several years after the beginning of broadcasting.

 70% of Japanese radios at that time were crystal type listening worth receivers.
Battery operated tube radios using loud speaker system were not only expensive but also had to equip three types (A, B, C) of battery, especially by using Lead-acid battery for "A" lighting filament, the work required much time to charging. Consequently not of public use.
Japan introduced technique and appliances of radios from U.S.A.
At first triode tube UV-201 ware used. Later, 201-A type with filament current reduced by half or power economized type 199 were used.
As the result of that, A type battery could be changed from Lead-acid battery to dry battery.
Therefore, since about 1924 much of radio sets have contained batteries inside.

вот тебе начало.
продолжение читай на сайте японского радиомузея
https://www.japanradiomuseum.com/index-e.html

не понял... это что... все Лохатый написал?.... :hihi:
предмет разговора понимаешь?.... :D

_________________
Манюк пишет: "...А приемнички я не крашу, не умею. Только бабло складывать могу в карман....."


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МВК писал(а):
предмет разговора понимаешь?.... :D

если ты что-то не понимаешь то заходи вот сюда

http://www.tubebbs.com/forumdisplay.php ... d=6&page=1

задашь вопрос и тебе обязательно ответят


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Магистр технических наук Алексей Анатольевич Обломов, мастер (господин) дивана бизнес администрейшен

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предмет разговора понимаешь?.... :D

если ты что-то не понимаешь то заходи вот сюда

http://www.tubebbs.com/forumdisplay.php ... d=6&page=1

задашь вопрос и тебе обязательно ответят

у нас есть талантливый переводчик с японского... Лохатый.... и у него есть собственная история японской радиопромышленности.... :hihi:

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ну понятно що у лоха своя история

Columbia Model RP-291

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Columbia Tabletop Storage- No. 310

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Columbia Portable Energy Storage No- 320

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Columbia Model 330

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Columbia Model 340

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